CDC志愿者死活不让测

l.w._007

受折磨的灵魂 发表于 2011-8-8 22:35
还翻白眼不说话
难不成是0.5代的？
马勒戈壁的

再三要求下，他同意我做6周，跟求他似的，还说，你这频繁检测，捅到卫生部，就坏了我们的名声。还说，他们是美国艾滋病什么署的。。但是在这个皮防所的艾滋携带者，无论CD4多少都可以吃药，而且，用的是美国的一线药，中国的2线药。我男朋友CD4，513，可以吃药了。。

受折磨的灵魂

你M的 你去的是火星吧？
频繁检测捅到卫生部？
咋不说捅到联合国呢？
频繁检测坏名声？
他不是民间组织吗？
又美国署了？
你还要求他给你测
是我 我直接一脚踹他逼脸上！

l.w._007

by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D.Blank, Sep 08, 2008 11:06AM
Conflicting information?  Yes, but only if you're not selective in selecting websites.  If you pay attention to the source and stick with professionally run and/or moderated websites, you won't find much conflict about the risks associated with oral sex.  Those that fan the flames typically don't monitor or attempt to control the opinions of frightened people who don't understand the science involved.（矛盾的信息？是的，但是只要你不是有选择性的乱一些网站。如果你只看哪些专业的网站，你肯定找不到很多关于口交矛盾的信息。那些网站，通常都不会控制容易对没有科学知识的民众进行误导的言论。）

Some experts indeed believe that the penile partner in oral sex is at no risk of acquring HIV.  My (and Dr. Hook's) close colleague and friend Dr. Jeff Klausner, director of the San Francisco health department STD/HIV programs is one of them.  The highest calculated risk, from CDC, is that such exposure carries 1 chance in 20,000 of catching HIV.  My position, and Dr. Hook's, is that it doesn't matter; for all practical purposes, 1 in 20,000 is the same as zero.  (It is equivalent to having a ** by an infected partner once a day for 55 years, and maybe never getting infected.)
（有些专家相信，口交不会传染HIV，我还有DR.HOK，以及我们的同事兼好友DR.JEFF，他是旧金山性病/艾滋计划的的执行者。根据来自CDC的研究，WTKJ最高的风险是两万分之一。这个数据对我们来说，两万分之一接近于0，这个相当于和感染者口交55年，才会感染。。）

·韓煙

3个月只占2%？他脑进屎了吧？哪里的人员炮轰他下台！
这样算来6个月4%，100%排除要多少时间？

·韓煙

你应该问问他，他说3个月只占2% 那么你们这里多少时间检测才可以排除？按照这样算，10年？

l.w._007

·韓煙 发表于 2011-8-8 23:13
你应该问问他，他说3个月只占2% 那么你们这里多少时间检测才可以排除？按照这样算，10年？

武汉武胜路皮防所，志愿者，他尼玛说一堆屁话，还得收挂号费，名字好像叫张鑫（心，新，欣，blablabla），给了我两个医生的电话，好像是中南医院的桂希恩下面两个医生的电话，扔了。

受折磨的灵魂

·韓煙 发表于 2011-8-8 23:13
你应该问问他，他说3个月只占2% 那么你们这里多少时间检测才可以排除？按照这样算，10年？

3月2%
6月4%
1年8%
10年80%

因为3个月2%
所以20%要30个月
1年12个月
2年24个月
2年半正好30个月

10年+2年半

这12年半还是不敢保证100%的
民间组织 美国署
......
不管你们信不信
反正我是不信！

l.w._007

by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D.Blank, Jul 15, 2009 10:30PM
Welcome to the forum.  I'll try to help.

Be careful when reading and interpreting statistics.  In this case, you are comparing entirely different kinds of numbers.  One is the proporation of people with HIV who caught it by various kinds of exposure; the other is the chance of catching HIV from any particular exposure.  That 7% of people with HIV apparently caught it by oral sex (8/120 = 7%) is entirely compatible with a risk of 1 in 10,000 for each oral sex exposure with an infected person.  The transmission risk for vaginal sex is around 1 in 1,000 (10 times riskier than oral), and for anal sex it's around 1 in 200-500 (different for the receptive versus insertive partner).  These numbers are entirely consistent with a proportion of somewhere around 7% of infections due to oral sex and the rest (93%) from vaginal or anal.

And you are exactly right that such research can be misleading.  All these data depend on people telling the researcher when and how they think they were infected, and often they are wrong.  Almost all people with HIV have had multiple exposures and can only make educated guesses about the source.  As one sort of example, consider the person who has only oral sex with casual partners and assumes that's where he was infected, when in fact he is unaware that his regular partner -- with whom he has anal sex -- has HIV and is the actual source of infection.

In other words, all these data are imprecise.  Look at them as pretty good educated guesses, but not much more than that.

Regards--  HHH, MD

linlinping

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l.w._007

linlinping 发表于 2011-8-8 23:49  武汉武胜路皮防所电话：027-85642511 027-85668180 打电话问什么意思3个月百分2，叫不叫人活了。明天我就打 ...

三个月内，查的到的只占百分之二，他要我不给别人说，说这个是保密的…囧